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Post by Rayblon on Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:07 pm

  













 Ender's Game
 by MtheRabbitGod Yesterday at 19:57

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I thought it was going to be corny, before I read it.
Instead, it was an imitation, in a sense, of WWII,
psychology,
war strategy,
and murderous 6 year olds.

Despite the author being... In simplest terms, an ass, his work is brilliant, in my opinion.


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 Re: Ender's Game
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And why exactly do you dislike Orson Scott Card?

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Taeron, due to his constant rebuttal to discriminate anyone who is LGBT.
It's fine that he doesn't like the idea,
but going as far as to join groups to ban them
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 Re: Ender's Game
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Ah. I had a feeling it had to do with LGBT rights and whatnot. We donated millions of dollars to Prop 8 and we are opposed to gay marriage and stuff, but I would never go as far to join groups against LGBT rights. That's kinda hardcore.

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Like, trying to ban them is????
I just think people can believe and do whatever the hell they want, as long as they don't disturb me.


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http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/04/04/the-campaign-against-mozillas-brendan-eich/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0

Gay marriage supporters,as well as supporters of LGBT rights, are also at fault in many situations.


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@Taeron And what if you were a lesbian and happened to fall in love? Marriage has too many legal ramifications now to be rightfully denied to anyone, and that's one of the big issues here. 

Atheists marry, satanists marry, some people get married off to slavers at the age of six, some people already have their spouse chosen before they leave the womb, some people get their hand in marriage sold by their parents. Any depravity that can be found in gay marriage is nothing more than a mirage. 

Also, you may or may not have heard, but we know that gay men are quite literally born into it. Pardon if the article is a bit high level, but it suggests that a total of three polymorphic genes as well as birth order and postnatal socialization all have an effect on one's sexuality, the former being the most effectual. 

One last thing: we don't know how many gays there are because they know full well about the social stigmas attached to them. For all you know, you could be campaigning against as much as 10% of the world's population. I have two bi, one transsexual, and four gay friends, and I'd never oppose them having a same sex marriage. It's awkward, yes, but I'd never deny them the rights that I am alloted. I'm allowed to marry the person I fall in love with, but they can't?

Another thing I learned from reading the article: There is evidence to suggest that heterozygous for the homosexuality genes are actually more able to gain a social advantage and attract a partner. It's an evolved trait.
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Post by Rayblon on Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:09 pm

Pardon any formatting artifacts. I'll be backing up all the topics I deem worthy from here on out. The forum doesn't have any archiving abilities.
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Post by Taeron on Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:48 am

I already knew that people are born gay, but some people actually CHOOSE to be gay (not sure how that works).
Also, a common mistake that I have seen come up multiple times is that if you're gay/lesbian/bi/trans/etc, you can ONLY be happy with the person you are attracted to. False. There are gay men out there who are happily married to a woman. It's physical attraction. You don't need to be physically attracted to your husband or wife in order to love them.
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Post by Taeron on Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:30 am

Honestly, I wouldn't give a crap about being lesbian - I would never "fall in love" or marry another lesbian. For one thing, I would never be able to get married in the temple. I would be much better off with a man, no matter what my sexual preference was.
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Post by Taeron on Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:38 am

I would also get excommunicated from my church if I had a gay marriage. And I most definitely do not want that.
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Post by Rayblon on Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:07 pm

If you're able to choose to be gay, that means you're bisexual. There's literally no other way, and  is an argument used by certain religious institutions ad hominem.

Attraction isn't physical, it's a chemical phenomena. The same pheromone that may illicit no response in one person can inversely cause a "love at first sight" response in another person. You need the chemical attraction to feel the affection of a compatible pairing, thus, a homosexuality is attuned to pheromones of the same gender. The pheromonal difference between males and females(Hermaphrodites being an exception, of course) is so great that the peobability of a proper pheromone match between a gay or lesbian and someone of the opposite sex is, quite literally at absolute zero.

Most full gays that have married women have actually been known to have an increased tendency for domestic violence, and, in several exposés, dissatisfaction was quite evident, some even admitting to it being a social obligation rather than a matter of choice, much like what you just stated. You're against it personally because of the fact that your church, a major socializing force would discriminate against you for it. That's how most of today's religious gays feel. I'm not religious, but I know that our local churches are very accepting of it, stating that it is an evidently natural circumstance, and isn't condemned by the original religious texts.

 The only line that relates to it is something along the lines of 'You shall not lay with mankind as you would with womankind: It is abomination'. It is saying that a man should never be treated as if he were equal to a woman in bed, which is referencing the predominant gender inequality of the time, not homosexuality. Women were considered below men, so if a woman were to treat a man as an equal in bed, that would be an abomination, because they're supposed to submit, not take control. If a man were to treat another man as below him in bed that would be an abomination. But if anyone were to lay with another of the same sex as equals, it is sanctioned by the text.
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Post by TrashtheRabbitGod on Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:27 pm

I don't see a point to debating against it. This is a "Free," country, when it comes to ideals, is it not? I see no point for riots, other than religious reasons for groups.

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Post by Taeron on Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:36 pm

"..your church, a major socializing force would discriminate against you for it.." You see rayblon, this is where you are wrong. The Apostles have brought up the topic of gay marriage in General Conference and have stated that they cannot change a commandment made immoral by God. It is the word of God, and I will follow it no matter what. Marriage was created by God, not by man. He makes the terms, not man. It is also against the word of God to participate in homosexual activities/behavior and sex outside of marriage - both of which that include a gay relationship, in and outside of marriage. You can have your opinion and I can have mine.
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Post by Rayblon on Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:03 pm

Can you quote the verses that highlight the topic? I'd like to see what verses you as a collective use to draw your conclusions.

Also, some biblical translations interpret ἀρσενοκοῖται, a word we don't truly know the meaning of, as homosexual activities, which may be why homosexuality is interpreted today so darkly, in regards to religious factions.


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Post by TrashtheRabbitGod on Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:05 pm

If you haven't noticed, the entire world does not follow the same religion, nor the same God.
Some people don't even believe in one.

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Post by Rayblon on Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:11 pm

@Chuzzie Like me. <3
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Post by TrashtheRabbitGod on Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:13 pm

@Rayblon, yeeeeeeeesssssss.
I'm just a freedom person.
I feel like people should be able to do what they want. (Unless they kill, or do some illegal act.)

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Post by Rayblon on Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:17 pm

Yeah, and by discriminating against an action or a group, you're going against the beliefs of another religion, no doubt. Honestly, the western world isn't respected by the eastern world in part because of religion(And the first place racer mentality). The western world is arguably the more discriminatory of the two.
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Post by Taeron on Wed Apr 09, 2014 3:50 am

I didn't say everyone believed in the same religion as I did. You said that I would never marry a lesbian because of the discrimination I would receive from having a gay marriage. All I did was explain my reasons.
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Post by Rayblon on Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:54 am

I find it interesting that, somehow, the same book spurred the creation of vastly different religions. To take the teachings of only one interpretation above all others seems counterintuitive, now that I think about it, since all interpretations may or may not be incorrect.
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Post by TrashtheRabbitGod on Wed Apr 09, 2014 3:32 pm

Rayblon, considering shows in Japan, having the gay person is the normal, it's obvious which one is more restricting.
Along with other cultural differences.
I believe the East is much more open than us.

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Post by Rayblon on Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:44 pm

but communism still. :L


Can't have both, apparently.


Unless you move to Greece.




Just checked something. The bible never says anything that's even remotely relevant to gay MARRIAGE, just stuff that can be extrapolated against homosexual procreation(Marriage doesn't necessarily entail intercourse). Let us not forget that not too long ago the churches condemned interracial marriage and called that unnatural as well. Now, interracial marriage is common and accepted. 


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There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.




It also would seem there is no distinction between genders, yet apparently there is at the same time.
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Post by Taeron on Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:47 am

Some Christian religions don't even believe in the Bible.
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Post by Taeron on Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:49 am

You're also wrong about that. I think somewhere in Corinthians, it talks about being in unnatural relationships.
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Post by Rayblon on Thu Apr 10, 2014 8:33 am

I never said you needed the book to worship christ. I've asked some people more attuned to the bible than both of us for their input. They offered a few verses, but we agreed that you'd need to do alot of extrapolation to reach that point. I may just read it myself and offer my interpretation of the standard bible verses. The translation from Hebrew to English strips the bible of certain meaningful descriptions not available in English, however, which proves problematic in and of itself when attempting to interpret this new, possibly even adulterated work.
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Post by Taeron on Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:26 am

There is a difference between using the Bible to worship God and actually believing in it.
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Post by Rayblon on Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:14 am

There's no difference between them in terms of their understanding of it, though. If anything, objective observation is better, because believing in god can skew one's interpretation of the belief system. People who believe in god are more inclined to try maintaining a static interpretation of Him/Her/It because they interpret it more literally instead of as a metaphore, in addition, when you're taught something like biblical interpretation at a young age, the interpretation you're taught makes sense. 

If you're taught that 2+2=5, it will seem irrefutable, a mathematical fact, even though it's not necessarily true. Even when faced with the true solution, the person will seek to justify the 'normal' solution because it's what they were raised being taught. 

Religious texts aren't math math though, there is no one correct solution, and the solutions that are present are not necessarily intended to be there to stay. A religion is more like an organism, it is designed to be able to adapt to environmental conditions and hazards to survive and thrive. By sticking to an old interpretation, the religion becomes less fit, and even crippled, which is why more casual religious activity is becoming the norm. It allows people to adapt religion to their mental and emotional needs.
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I just combed through my responses and found way more typos than I should have... xD
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Post by Taeron on Thu Apr 10, 2014 8:38 pm

It depends on the individual to decide for themselves what the scripture means. It doesn't matter what they're taught at church - they still have to decide by themselves. Also, if you're saying that everything/most things in the Bible are metaphorical, then that would include the Commandments. If that were true,life would be easy and there would be no responsibility for your actions.
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Take a look at this:
Professor : You are a Christian, aren’t you, son ?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor: So, you believe in GOD ?
Student : Absolutely, sir.
Professor : Is GOD good ?
Student : Sure.
Professor: Is GOD all powerful ?
Student : Yes.
Professor: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to GOD to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But GOD didn’t. How is this GOD good then? Hmm?
(Student was silent.)
Professor: You can’t answer, can you ? Let’s start again, young fella. Is GOD good?
Student : Yes.
Professor: Is satan good ?
Student : No.
Professor: Where does satan come from ?
Student : From … GOD …
Professor: That’s right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
Student : Yes.
Professor: Evil is everywhere, isn’t it ? And GOD did make everything. Correct?
Student : Yes.
Professor: So who created evil ?
(Student did not answer.)
Professor: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don’t they?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor: So, who created them ?
(Student had no answer.)
Professor: Science says you have 5 Senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son, have you ever seen GOD?
Student : No, sir.
Professor: Tell us if you have ever heard your GOD?
Student : No , sir.
Professor: Have you ever felt your GOD, tasted your GOD, smelt your GOD? Have you ever had any sensory perception of GOD for that matter?
Student : No, sir. I’m afraid I haven’t.
Professor: Yet you still believe in Him?
Student : Yes.
Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD doesn’t exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.
Professor: Yes, faith. And that is the problem Science has.
Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Professor: Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as cold?
Professor: Yes.
Student : No, sir. There isn’t.
(The lecture theater became very quiet with this turn of events.)
Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don’t have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can’t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.
(There was pin-drop silence in the lecture theater.)
Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?
Professor: Yes. What is night if there isn’t darkness?
Student : You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light. But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and its called darkness, isn’t it? In reality, darkness isn’t. If it is, well you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn’t you?
Professor: So what is the point you are making, young man ?
Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.
Professor: Flawed ? Can you explain how?
Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good GOD and a bad GOD. You are viewing the concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, Science can’t even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.
Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?
Professor: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.
Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?
(The Professor shook his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument was going.)
Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor. Are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?
(The class was in uproar.)
Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor’s brain?
(The class broke out into laughter. )
Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor’s brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?
(The room was silent. The Professor stared at the student, his face unfathomable.)
Professor: I guess you’ll have to take them on faith, son.
Student : That is it sir … Exactly ! The link between man & GOD is FAITH. That is all that keeps things alive and moving.
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