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Post by Rayblon on Fri Apr 11, 2014 12:09 am

Cold is a relative term, in regards to an object, something with less thermal energy than said object is cold, causing exothermic activity, meaning the object in the low energy environment is a heat source in those conditions, since heat is an inverse process. However, something that has high thermal energy isn't necessarily hot to begin with, if there is nothing to recieve the energy and rise in temperature with.

Darkness is the same. It's a relative term. Things are dark because we have a range of perceptible shades of light, and certain conditions are at the lower, 'darker' end of this spectrum. We percieve darkness, and the absence of light doesn't mean darkness doesn't exist. Dark and light conditions both have the power to adversely affect objects, meaning their existence is of mutual importance.

The brain and mind are a bit different. We've found a way to translate the signals into usable information just recently. The production of a proper mind-reading device is still in a preliminary stage, but it's apparently progressing well. 

As for evolution, I'm studying to be a bioengineer, so I'm an authority on this. If you introduce radiation to an organism, and irradiate the offspring in future generations, 'weak' locations in DNA are degraded and restructured, and mutations in specific loci are accentuated further the more generations are exposed. The mutations aren't random, they're fluid when radiation is introduced at safe levels. the first genetically modified organism was created using this method, and it resulted in the production of several chemicals that no plant has produced before. We're exposed to radiation every day, and we don't exactly hide from it, so evolution is a guaranteed event. If you were to get your genome sequenced today, and get it sequenced again fifty years from now, you'd find that, aside from your telomeres being shaved down, there are several pinpoint mutations that occur. While your offspring may only inherit a couple dozen pinpoint nucleotide mutations or less if you're lucky, those mutations have a way of accumulating over... 3.9 billion years. The first organisms were bacteria, so if three dozen mutations are the average in us after fifty years, there is the possibility for 2,808,000,000 mutations in a single line of heredity from the beginning to now.

Please don't throw Hollywood scripts at me. Movie producers don't know what science is.


The commandments are metaphores. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, for example, is just a metaphore for 'Do unto Taeron as you would have her do unto you'
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Post by Taeron on Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:04 am

First of all, that wasn't some 'Hollywood script.' It was just something I came across earlier today and I was curious as to what you'd say. Science is arrogant. Scientists believe that they know everything,or will know everything, based on science. And you see...the difference between science and religion is that God doesn't change, but science does. Over the years, scientific theories and whatnot have changed. Scientists change what they had said before, because later on they found flaws.
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Post by Rayblon on Fri Apr 11, 2014 8:10 am

Scientists aren't arrogant, first of all. Conceited? Maybe. Not arrogant. Scientists recognize that individual people, including themselves, are far less significant than we'd like to feel, so a realistic scientist is less arrogant than most people. Knowledge humbles you.

God ordained that shaving was a sin, as well as eating pork. The church doesn't tell you to turn down a half slab of ribs nowadays, does it? Let's not forget how modesty used to be religion's motto. God changed, redefined by the preachers and pastors of the modern era. The true sciences hadn't existed until about a century ago, it hasn't changed so much as it has grown, atomic theory being an exception. 

The movie the lines are from is 'God's Not Dead'. It received one star on rotten tomatoes and had an amazing plot. Amazingly unrealistic, that is. It was a very angry movie.


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Post by Taeron on Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:50 pm

Well, my friend wanted to go see God's Not Dead, but judging from what you're saying, that may not be such a good idea...

Conceited and arrogant are synonymous. Conceited is just a nicer way of putting it.
"God ordained that shaving was a sin, as well as eating pork."
Um no. That was the Law of Moses. That existed way before the gospel. Really, you should stop basing everything off the Bible...
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Post by Rayblon on Sat Apr 12, 2014 1:09 am

Too tired to type a response w/o accidentally backspacing.
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Post by Taeron on Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:15 am

This is getting ridiculous anyway...
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Post by Rayblon on Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:31 am

If you believe someone who has more knowledge of the religion wholly,then an impure person can manipulate the audience. Of course, you need to turn to someone in order to understand it unless you're part of the 19% that actually understands it.  Arrogance is where you view yourself as superior, but being conceited is where you have a high opinion of yourself(Which is similar but not identical to arrogance). Conceitedness is basically "We can jump over tall buildings." while arrogance is "We'll ride your backs over tall buildings because you're less than us."


I hate to have to play this card but... 
Earth has been said to be a creation of god. 
People have been said to be the creation of god. 
The bible has not been said to be the creation of god.

There are three human traits(And circumstances of the time) that make the latter a very, very bad prospect:
1) People have opinions, and those opinions change how they read and write things.
Why it matters: Anyone with a verse in the bible could have just been stating their opinion, if not in an eccentric way. God's word accurately transcribed may be entirely different from what these people wanted us to see.

2) A couple thousand years ago, pen and paper weren't exactly readily available commodities. Human memory is so shoddy that, after a few months, years, or even weeks and days, key pieces of information can be forgotten.
Why it matters: The first problem plays hand in hand with this one. When people forget parts of an event, they fill in the blanks with what makes the most sense to them, what their opinions are. Any religious text from that era is, sadly, subject to this.

3) Lost in translation. The bible was originally compiled in a hebrew dialect that, even now, is poorly understood in some parts. Hebrew and English aren't very compatible languages, either, considering they use an entirely different alphabet and grammatical structure. The translators and others who may have revised verses later for better comprehension are also subject to #1.
Why it matters: The basis of religion is the text, without it, #2 happens indefinitely. Nobody truly learns how to PRAISE JEEZUS without a book in hand, which is problematic after dealing with #1 and #2. Preachers and pastors today have their interpretation of it influenced by their mentors, and their mentors' mentors, etc., all of which are subject to #1 as well. The translation of the texts into fundamental ideas changes over time, and though you're encouraged to draw your own conclusions, their interpretation will still influence yours.
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Post by Taeron on Sat Apr 12, 2014 10:27 am

"If you believe someone who has more knowledge of the religion wholly,then an impure person can manipulate the audience."
Only people who have greater knowledge can manipulate people who have lesser knowledge. But there will always be someone who would have greater knowledge than the person doing the manipulations, and they could be helping the people getting manipulated along the track.
Arrogant people would have a strong opinion of themselves as well.
And where exactly are you getting this 19% from?

"Earth has been said to be a creation of god.
People have been said to be the creation of god.
The bible has not been said to be the creation of god."
People say lots of things...that doesn't make everything they say true.

It depends on which Bible version you're talking about. There's the New Testament and the Old Testament. The New Testament was actually in Greek, not Hebrew. Just because it was originally in Hebrew/Greek, does not mean there were things that were lost. They had multiple interpretations, but that doesn't mean they were lost.The Bible was compiled and translated by multiple scholars. They sat down and chose which books to include and which ones not to include. There are about 30 books that weren't included because the scholars chose not to include them.

If you read the Bible,you would notice that there are some words and phrases that are italicized. The scholars just put what their best guess of it was (the interpretation). They are italicized because they weren't too sure and because there are other interpretations to that word or phrase.
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Post by Rayblon on Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:20 pm

Churches tend to isolate themselves around here. The manipulator has a very high chance to mislead over 100 people when there's little networking. The 19% was from a survey conducted by a Catholic organization. 81% said they didn't understand it. Arrogant people don't necessarily think highly of themselves. Arrogance can be seen as "I may not be good, but everyone else is worse." As well as what I said before. 

The problem with translation is not just meaning, per se. Certain words in Hebrew as well as Greek literally can't be described using english. Words that may have initially evoked a sort of emotion are lost to modern language. Another issue is documentation. Sure, there are records to suggest certain things happened, but record keeping was practically nonexistent until about 200 years ago, and with several corrupt churches in power for most of the time, we can't possibly verify that any of the records are actually true.Wink
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Post by Rayblon on Sat Apr 12, 2014 4:14 pm

I found the video of something I've been looking for for a while. It's pretty funny. 

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Post by Rayblon on Sat Apr 12, 2014 4:17 pm

I think we've exhausted discussion topics for it. Imma let u finish, but this isn't a debate that can fill more than three pages tbh.  tongue
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Post by Rayblon on Sat Apr 12, 2014 4:19 pm

It was a good debate though. :3
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Post by Rayblon on Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:39 pm

Backing up this topic.
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Post by Taeron on Sat Apr 12, 2014 10:08 pm

According to a dictionary definition, this is what arrogance is:
[size=32]ar·ro·gant[/size]
ˈarəgənt/
adjective


  1. 1.
    having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities.
    "he's arrogant and opinionated"
    synonyms:haughty,conceited,self important,egotistic,full of oneself,superior

Conceited is an aspect of arrogant. You're making up definitions to back yourself up.
You can throw in different numbers and things, but that doesn't mean it's based on reality. And with the 19% thing - that was only the Catholics. I doubt the people in every single religion are exactly like that.
You can verify that the scriptures are true. Live it and see for yourself.
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Post by Rayblon on Sun Apr 13, 2014 10:10 am

ar•ro•gant (ˈær ə gənt) 

adj.
1. making claims or pretensions to superior importance or rights.
2. characterized by or proceeding from arrogance: arrogant claims.

conceited (kənˈsiːtɪd)
adj
1. having a high or exaggerated opinion of oneself or one's accomplishments
2. fanciful
3. witty or intelligent

They're similar, not identical. Being conceited is better than the former. Just because the words are synonyms doesn't make them the same, and just because arrogance includes part of conceited doesn't make it entirely like arrogant. The online dictionaries can't offer a complete definition of conceited. Be careful where you get your definitions, too. Some online dictionaries simply leech definitions from other dictionaries that may not be entirely true while others hand write the proper definitions. Words aren't lucrative, unfortunately. Giving meaning to them isn't either.

The catholic organization employed a general survey. It was a survey of Christians, not just Catholics. I could write believable historical fiction, but that doesn't mean it actually happened, either. It's like this book. Maybe, somewhere in the world, this is actually happening. It's believable, but not true. Man knows man best, so writing what seems true is rendered easy by even a novice scribe. Even I've made believable fiction. 

As to you challenging my numbers, I don't misinform, nor do I fabricate statistics. If you'd like, you can google the stats yourself.
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Post by Rayblon on Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:43 pm

Someone beat us to the punch in this discussion, very rage but wow.http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24393&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
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Post by Taeron on Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:54 am

It is okay to be gay. It is not okay,however, to act on the impulses that come with it.


**http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/05/mormon-gay-marriage_n_5097821.html


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Post by TrashtheRabbitGod on Tue Apr 22, 2014 10:29 pm


gay or european

when the danganronpas take a break from murdering and trial-ing

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